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His voice goes with us (14.2) U.C.L.A - Philadelphia - Pasadena - Chicago - San Diego
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metanymous wrote in metapractice
http://metapractice.livejournal.com/367761.html

Незаметно произошло обновление страницы Эриксонианского Фонда, на котором теперь информация о нашем метапрактике светится на весь мир. Посему, пора оживить нашу международную тему:



THE MILTON H. ERICKSON INSTITUTE OF WEST SIBERIA
http://erickson-foundation.org/institutes/name/the-milton-h-erickson-institute-of-west-siberia/
http://erickson-foundation.org/institutes/



В развитии это темы у нас в настоящий момент несколько проблем:

--просьба к bavi перенести сюда в теперешний проход темы не проанализированные реплики из предыдущего прохода
--любым добровольцам время от времени переводить на английский что делается в теме



Milton Erickson 1952 U.C.L.A 01
Now, my topic for this afternoon is … eh … control of physiological functions by hypnosis. And I'm also enlisted later for hypnotic approaches in therapy. Actually, of course, I have a feeling that it is rather difficult thing to do because in any approach to physiological control one also makes use of therapeutic approaches also. And so I'm not really going to try to make a differentiation or to try to make a [00:47 – 00:48] lecture on the subject. Both topics involve a question of techniques and the both concern with the adequate functioning of the individual as the personality and his functioning in a desired manner. [01:10]



Milton Erickson 1955 Philadelphia 1 - Misconceptiions & phenomena
[до этого идет приветствие, речь МЭ начинается на 0:40]
One of the first misconceptions that I want to mention is not listed in your booklet. And that is this. Misconception that you can learn hypnosis from a stage hypnotist. You can learn hypnotist from a stage hypnotist, if you want to work on the stage, but if you want to do medical work or dental work or psychological work, I don’t think that you can learn from a stage hypnotist. It requires a great deal of study in earnest effort and sincere effort on your part.
Another misconception that I want to mention isn’t included is (that) anybody who uses hypnosis must have some very special powers, special knowledge, special abilities. Actually, of course, hypnosis is a very common phenomenon in all human living, and anybody who can communicate with somebody else, can use hypnosis. Anybody, that can communicate with somebody else, can learn hypnosis and utilize it.
[02:01]



Milton Erickson 1958 Pasadena Track 1
[до этого идет приветствие, речь МЭ начинается на 0:09]
Now hypnosis is a phenomenon, that requires participation and I'm gonna ask participation of the part of the audience, because part of your instruction, part of your training should include some efforts on your part to learn and to practice. Now, I'm not going to try to teach you medicine or any of the specialties of any sort. I made mention this specialty or that specialty or this field of medicine or another. But I want you to realize that hypnosis is a technique, a methodology and approach to the patient. And that I expect you to have that amount of medical knowledge requisite for you to practice your own field. And that you use hypnosis to facilitate the contact with the patient to enable a patient to comprehend you better and to motivate your patient in the acceptance of medical care and guidance and advice and instruction. The hypnosis is primarily a method of communicating ideas to people. In hypnosis you establish upon the person into a trance eh state of receptiveness to the ideas and as they are receptive to the ideas then they become responsive to the ideas.



Milton Erickson 1960 Chicago 1
Too often in working with patient you politely try not to notice his resistance, you politely try to overlook it and to pretend that it isn't there. But do you treat your patient that way [0:20 – 0:22 – три слова непонятны] do you ever pretend that your patient hasn't got a gynaecological review, do you ever pretend that you OB patient isn't pregnant, why should you pretend that your resistant patient isn't resistant? You ought to accept their resistance as one of the things they bring into the office. And since they brought it, you ought to use it. You are put to willing to use their eyes, you are put to willing to use their ears [0:50 – 0:55 – не уверен насчет put], their mouth, why not use their ressistance? And so, usually dealing with the ressistant patient, you recognize that they're resistant. [1.07]



Milton Erickson 1960 Chicago 2
Now this question of double-bind. I think it's awfully important that you exercise that double-bind in your therapy. Because why it's called a “double-bind”, it is a measure of getting your patient to face the issues at hand, because too often your patient is unwilling to face the issues. I think of one woman oh eh complained about a lump in her breast. And I think there were some 26 different physicians she consulted, and that all advised her to go into the hospital and have her breast operate on. [01:01]



Milton Erickson 1962 San Diego – That which occurs within
But eh this time I'd like to take up certain other things that should be of interest to you. … [обрезка, запись внезапно начинается] this matter of the use of hypnosis I find as an editor of a journal that I am having a tremendous amount of competition. I find that the American Journal of Proctology is now publishing articles on hypnosis I would like to publish. The Journal of Anes... ehm Dermatology is publishing articles on hypnosis. In fact all of the various medical journals are publishing increasingly a large number of articles on hypnosis. And in spite of the hostility eh of general medical profession, especially in the older ranks, and the hostility of the dental profession the entrenched members of dental profession and the psychological profession hypnosis is beginning to spread increasingly. [0:01:18]



Milton Erickson 1962 San Diego – Common sense suggestion
I've been asked to come in on several things. One of them is this matter of imaginary allergy. Wherein the patient tells you that he has a severe allergic response, when you know that it's not chemically possible for him to have a severe allergic response. Over (?) the experience of one of my friends eh in decades that one should take seriously this question of idiosyncrasy for drugs. One of my friends when he sustained practice in medicine wrote up prescription for aspirine for a patient. [01:02]



Для тренировки восприятия интонаций:
http://metapractice.livejournal.com/343132.html?thread=8988764#t8988764


Mendelssohn Violin Concerto complete 1st mvt, E minor, Allegro molto appassionato

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Milton Erickson 1952 U.C.L.A

Продолжим с этим текстом:
(предварительно весь текст сопроводил аудио и картинкой, чтобы сложилась целостная картинка пиков в целом тексте; легче выделить пиковые акценты на словах/слогах)

And so I'm not really going to try to make a differentiation or to try to make a [00:47 – 00:48] lecture on the subject. Both topics involve a question of techniques and the both concern with the adequate functioning of the individual as the personality and his functioning in a desired manner. [01:10]

(01) and so I'm not really going to try to make a differentiation
(02) or to try to make a
(03) (гивь. о пэст) lecture on the subject
(05) вoth topics involve a question of techniques
(06) and the both concern with the adequate functioning
(07) of the individual as the personality
(08) and his functioning in a desired manner. [01:10]

All




Edited at 2015-04-08 04:11 am (UTC)

офф. Прошу прощения за много измененных постов - в моем жж посты не добавляются, поэтому здесь пришлось несколько раз изменить вид.

нормально.

Для такой задачи нет никаких лимитов.

За неделю хочу закончить этот текст. Картинки уже приготовил, аудио тоже нарезал. Все сделаю в таком же формате, как и в предыдущих проходах.

Ну да. В таком же формате.

Но, это очень желательно, чтобы разметка слов была перенесена на аудиограмму. Вот как ты сделал в этом нынешнем проходе:

http://metapractice.livejournal.com/470540.html?thread=12028940#t12028940

(01) and so I'm not really going to try to make a differentiation

and so I'm not really going to try to make a differentiation

(01) and so (02) I'm not (03) really (04) going (05) to try (06) to make (07) a differentiation

(01) and so
(02) I'm not
(03) really
(04) going
(05) to try
(06) to make
(07) a differentiation

МЭ_1




Re: (01) and so I'm not really going to try to make a differentiation

Этот последний вариант разметки просто великолепен.

С ним очень легко работать.

Но, весь вопрос в том сколько времени отнимает создание такой разметки?

Re: (01) and so I'm not really going to try to make a differentiation

Хорошо.

Ничего изменять/добавлять не надо?

Не так много, тем более сейчас все под рукой. (Просто надо один отрезок временной, чтобы за раз сделать не отвлекаясь, а то ошибиться/напутать можно) Буду в таком формате делать

UPD. Думал, что на растянутые слова типа (7) делать еще под-разбивку (по слогам) - тогда еще понятней будет. Или это уже избыточно?

Edited at 2015-04-30 03:51 pm (UTC)

Re: (01) and so I'm not really going to try to make a differentiation

Хорошо.

Более чем.

Ничего изменять/добавлять не надо?

Да вроде - нет, не надо.

Не так много, тем более сейчас все под рукой. (Просто надо один отрезок временной, чтобы за раз сделать не отвлекаясь, а то ошибиться/напутать можно) Буду в таком формате делать

Замечательно. Договорились.

UPD. Думал, что на растянутые слова типа (7) делать еще под-разбивку (по слогам) - тогда еще понятней будет. Или это уже избыточно?

Да, это будет избыточно. Надо соблюдать правило одно слово - одна "огибающая" интонация, какая бы она сложная не была.

(02) or to try to make a

or to try to make a

(01)or (02) to (03) try (04) to make (05) ин

(01) or
(02) to
(03) try
(04) to make

(05) ин

Эриксон - 1952 UCLA — 01_02




Re: (02) or to try to make a

Фантастическая картина интонаций.

Re: (02) or to try to make a

Да.
У него есть четко выраженные уровни(если смотреть на картинки):
- один на 50
- другой на 130/140
- третий на 180
и возвращается к 90/100 (это такое базовое наверное)

Re: (02) or to try to make a

Эти уровни следствие голосовой практики во времена его здорового голоса.

В те времена он буквально пел с максимальным диапазоном (по высоте) свои гипнотические тексты.

А голос его был - баритональный тенор - на верхних нотах он высокий - "тенорский". А на низких выражено низкий - баритональный.



Edited at 2015-05-14 04:54 am (UTC)

офф - В новой теме просто продолжить этот (03) - (08) (я в отпуск пошел - времени побольше должно быть)

Да, просто продолжай в новой теме.

Не забудь отдыхать в отпуске :)

Хорошо.

У нас область большая - озер/леса/гор много - решили в этом году такой тур по области сделать с ночевками, если погода не подкачает. (За рулем для меня хороший отдых - такое переключение

Будем желать хорошей погоды всем нам!

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